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This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 3,829 for Thursday 6 April 2023.

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Today's show is entitled, the Edinburgh cohort of Hacker Public Radio hosts stop mumbling.

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It is hosted by Dave Morris and is about 55 minutes long.

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It carries an explicit flag.

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This summary is Dave Morris and Mr. X-Talk about various technical topics.

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Hello everybody, welcome to Hacker Public Radio, and today we're recording in studio

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studio C, my Citron Citron car, and I'm here with Mr. X.

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You've just had a brunch in the pub that's just across from us.

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It was marvelous.

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Yeah, it was good, wasn't it?

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I could just quite as high as raw.

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They only served breakfast up until midday, I think.

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Yeah, and we got a little early for anything else.

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And then the table that was booked for soon after we had that light, so we couldn't

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have wait for the moon meal.

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But I don't think I've ever had a Hacker tool with so many slices of Hacker food.

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Yep, yep, we've got your money for it.

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That's good, it's good.

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Anyway, so what we're planning to do is to just do a little bit of a chat.

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We've got a sort of agenda which we may or may not hear too, I don't know.

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And we'll just sort of play it by ear and see how we go on.

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Do you have your notes?

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I don't know.

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I've only got the one copy.

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Oh, well in the bag.

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Well in the bag.

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Because you do that.

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Okay.

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And I can look at my tablet.

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Okay, okay.

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So it would be a super organized year, you can tell.

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Yeah, we have to leave that in.

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Absolutely.

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So it shows that our studio management is not absolutely in the point.

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So the first thing we thought at the top of it was, is email still relevant

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in 2022.

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Well that's right.

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Yeah, I changed that to 2023 last night.

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But no more.

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Yeah, messed up.

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It's amazing.

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A useful reason.

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We tend to do that thing just for the convenience of a Google Docs.

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That's a really handy way of sharing things.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It is a really good way of doing stuff.

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Just as an aside, should I say it about that?

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I was struggling to do a copy and paste in this document.

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And I looked it up and it said, if you're using Firefox, which I don't, I don't use Google Chrome.

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Using Firefox and it doesn't work.

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And then I found somebody that said, well, he's how you fix it.

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You go to the about config.

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You've got a new tab.

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Yeah, in a new tab.

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Right.

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And that gives you access to all of the settings in the browser.

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You change.

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And I'll put it in the notes.

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Dom.avent.clickboard events.

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Which I spot wrong.

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And you set that to true.

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So that enabled you to use the machine's clipboard to cut stuff out.

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And then paste it back in again.

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I mean, it's absolute.

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It's disgusting that they turned out.

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We don't want you to use it.

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We want to distribute you from using Firefox or some other blows.

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I will also therefore do that.

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We can't surveil you enough.

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Anyways.

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So we'll put that in as a note.

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I'm sure other people have already been down this path if they care about it.

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So there's probably nothing I used to use Firefox all the time.

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And I've just somehow started using it.

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And that wasn't for that reason.

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But I thought it was using Chrome, you know,

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so I could use Chrome more often than not know.

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You can see why these things I stopped using it in the past some year 18 months.

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Because I just didn't like the whole thing.

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No Google approach to understand that.

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So yeah.

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But that's a little bit off of track.

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So yeah.

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Easy mail store relevant is really the question we were kicking around.

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Wasn't it?

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I think I see that.

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I do remember the big thing that Google made about the email is no,

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we know it all.

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Logically, I love it.

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Maybe she should be using something different.

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For example, Google, Google Wave.

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And that was going to be the next big thing in the bit that the big,

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who had about it all all that.

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And I think I've figured it opened the app and as far as I went.

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But you do feel in some ways that the must be a bit of a deal of a

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thing we're dealing with things in emails.

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do you think there's no?

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Well, I do not like Google mail.

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I don't use it except that I do use it.

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Just to convince factors.

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But for the general, for some people, you know,

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it's fine, you know, but.

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Well, see what I discovered relatively early on.

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Because I was an earlier doctor of Gmail.

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Before it got called Google mail in Britain, not elsewhere.

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I don't know quite what was going on there.

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Anyway, I discovered that I used Thunderbird.

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I've been using Thunderbird for over 15 years or something.

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which I get from my eyes, pee, for some reason.

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So I set that up.

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I think there were warnings that they were going to take that way at some point.

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In fact, they were sort of fairly supportive of people

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continuing with the Grammarism.

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Because a lot of people are.

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And you won't get all the damn ads.

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And you're not getting all that label nonsense,

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which I really don't want.

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So I just put everything in my inbox on on Gmail.

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I think I'm really great that this organized.

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I just, I do that a little bit.

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I'll come into inbox and just keep it simple.

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Can I know that?

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I call it a good work.

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He used to have, you know, I used to.

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works a bit of an admin now.

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And I get so many emails.

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But at the time, I couldn't see the point of having different folders.

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And he was forever seen.

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Oh, I'm looking for the seamless.

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And that folder doesn't hold.

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It's just sticking the damn inbox.

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And you know what's there?

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But I wouldn't, I meant of emails.

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I'm getting the stitch for it.

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I'm thinking, remember, I need something like that.

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But funny enough, funny should talk about that.

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I'm going to go off and I can put the tangent, but to do with email.

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And it was a video I was watching.

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Was it Tom Scott?

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Is that a gem?

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And he was saying that he had a situation for what would do this.

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Just as because it's all from memory.

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he said, you know, people of a certain age,

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they're used to putting emails into folders.

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that the current generation thinking from a label point of view.

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I can't remember something like that anyway.

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about a folder that is being a label,

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then that solves it.

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But what I discovered was that there was,

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and there's a way of, I'm not doing this just as,

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but it was something that when they transferred it over,

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obviously had millions of emails or whatever.

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didn't go.

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But it only found out much later on.

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So you had years of emails missing.

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You didn't really like doing that.

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We're going to solve this.

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I think I've seen this episode.

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And I think he was talking about threads.

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That threads didn't even exist.

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That was a start of a thread.

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But all of the messages in the thread weren't labeled.

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And the software that was doing it didn't understand

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the label for the thread was to apply it all there.

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And the messages in the threads.

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So yeah, I know I did watch that relatively recently.

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A that there would only be anything that stupid.

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So I can see the label thing is quite useful.

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Because a label is a thing that you apply to an email,

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regardless of where it is, or where it's come from.

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And you can apply multiple labels.

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And that's a form that my colleague had for everybody.

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See, well, is it?

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And that's for the, it can't be in two folders.

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It can be in two labels.

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So that has to advance again.

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I see I have a, I started writing loads of stuff here.

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When I was thinking about this yesterday.

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I actually came to email in the very early days

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where we had unique stuff in early 90s.

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Something like that.

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We started moving towards UNIX.

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which came from the standard with with your UNIX system.

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Open, which then touched them.

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I've never really used it.

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It used, I think it used mailbox format.

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I can't remember what format it was.

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There was something I did.

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And my system was sending me emails to the, to the bin things.

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So it just can be, can do that within Linux.

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I can't, can't work.

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What was it?

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Some scripted are written in it.

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And I was getting, what to tell me.

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This was a key.

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I remember it was lower this space.

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I was telling me something there.

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I can't remember what was interesting.

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Platti was talking to me this while I was here.

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The messages under that system come,

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are delivered to your local message transfer agent.

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wherever the message is coming from.

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says that it's for that guy.

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which is usually via spool mail.

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Something or other.

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What are you using?

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Yes.

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And then, when you run mail,

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it will pull the bin mail.

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Then it would pull it out,

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then stick it into your mail.

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Whatever.

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However, your mail was saying.

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Yeah.

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So we had that.

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And there were various clients that let you other than bin mail.

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Something called Alma.

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I think in those days.

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But we were using altrix at that point.

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And on altrix,

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they were quite keen that you used thing called

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MH message handler.

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Right.

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And MH was a thing where you,

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it did the same thing.

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It would go and grab stuff out of your spool area,

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and it would put it places.

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But it was not a single tool.

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It was a whole suite of things.

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Right.

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So there was one command called ink,

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which meant pulled down the messages

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and stick them wherever.

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I think we'd stick them in the inbox.

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But you could also say,

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oh, as you're doing that,

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run it through this filter.

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And the filter, you could then write filters

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in all sorts of fancy words.

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Which said,

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so this is a mile from Charlie.

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So put it in the Charlie folder and someone.

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And you know,

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this is something I've touched on before.

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I think some of the,

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some of the earlier systems were more sophisticated.

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It could be clever.

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It had been dumbed down for the masses.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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So I spent many, many years at work using MH.

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And then there was a tool called XMH,

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which was an X.

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We know it's greater, more GUI type thing,

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which is like you manipulate your MH mile.

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And then I moved on to,

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what was it called?

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EXMH, which was a TCLTK client,

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which was, which was,

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you could modify to the unteenth degree,

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which did pretty much the same,

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but it had lots more facilities in it.

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And as the filter,

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everybody in those days used to think or prop mail.

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And prop mail would take a message and would pass it.

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Again,

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all the headers do,

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all sorts of stuff to it.

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And it could,

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you could make it,

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it was run by a configuration file,

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driven by it.

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And you could do things like,

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if I get a message from this person,

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then turn the message into reply,

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send it back,

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saying,

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got your message,

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thanks a lot.

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All within a recipe for your prop mail.

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I did,

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I had my own help system.

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And,

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I got from,

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something like,

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that's so configurable,

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so it's a festive,

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something like,

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something like,

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yes,

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it must be so frustrating.

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Well,

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the dumbest,

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I reckon,

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is blooming out loud.

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I don't know what that is like.

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I wouldn't say that bad word,

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but I was going to say,

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but it is a poor,

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forced to use it.

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Yeah, it's awful.

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So it was,

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I had some extent,

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but I managed not to use it very much,

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except for,

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because he got meeting invitations to it.

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Right.

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I think,

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I think,

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I think,

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I think,

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I started with it,

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and I was trying,

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I think,

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and it was before I could know what it's called,

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first meal point ever,

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that was,

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Yidora,

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it was Klein,

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and,

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and,

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I guess,

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my brother at the time,

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he had,

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you have meal,

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he had hot meal,

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so,

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so that was a standpoint.

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But then,

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obviously with Linux,

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I discovered,

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what was when you use it,

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now,

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when time's buzzer.

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And,

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forced into like,

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sort of,

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cheap.

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A lot of work.

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Well,

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so,

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I thought,

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I'dLike to make sure,

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I'm not so sure.

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My family style is called,

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But...

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with,

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I should send it,

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well I'll switch my elbow.

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I sit strategically,

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and try my own clothes.

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By the way,

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yeah so you know,

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in a large amount of time,

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and there's a lot of work in this place,

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and at that roundabout.

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Yeah.

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reactor,

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So one of the things about it was you could rewrite the headers.

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So I mean the headers is just a chunk of text at the beginning of a email, which says

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things like from and to and subject and stuff like that.

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And there's a lot of other goblins in there that says where it came from and all that sort

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of stuff.

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I got quite good at parsing that because the ProcMail Tools, there's a thing called

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FormMail, which let you parse it and do stuff with it, but it was possible to add

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your own arbitrary headers so you put xxlabel if you wanted and that would contain a label.

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And then you would have facilities within the suite of xmhxmhxmh whatever.

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We're saying, find me all the messages with this label or these labels, and so you could

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do all sorts of complicated Boolean, Boolean analyses of it, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I love you, can't come back, but I know, and it's an easy mail, still

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relevant.

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Yeah.

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Well, I'm tempted to say bad words about this, they used to be with the ruin that.

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Yeah, it's exactly because it's been destroyed by my reckoning in many, many regard.

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It isn't as desirable a thing, as it was, because for me, it was a filing system, I could

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keep a lot of information in, you know, things about keeping discussion with people, especially

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somebody says, could you do this and buy a size of such a time and you'd say, yes, sure,

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and then you'd be working on it and they'd say, yeah, but finish it, yeah, but you said

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you wanted it by someone, oh, no, no, I didn't know it, yes, you did, he's the email,

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that says it, so don't, and I used that so many times.

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Yeah, I get so many emails, no coming in, it's just a nightmare, and what I fight with

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is you'll get messages with different topics and stuff, and the might be something related

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to that, might be mixed and fun, so trying to get them to the separate categories if you

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could do that, ultimately to think that that would help, and I started using, I think

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I mentioned it, one note was just working on to solve that, and we've cut and paste bits

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of emails into a one note thread, and then I might have one document of tax prints or whatever,

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and I remember if we were hitting this, there was an email from such in such a British

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spell of that, here's the text below, it's all manual, but it's all searchable and you can

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find things, and you can sort it away like, but of course the damn thing, bloody well,

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cut to itself, you know, so I've got a hard work cut, tabs were in one note, it's, it's

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it's more to still okay, but when I looked up about it, there's quite a few folk complaining

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about, oh my one note got cut to the air, that's quite a coin, and I was like, I'm

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going to use this for some point of view, it's supposed to be, yeah, we're clicked, I think

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you know, my screwdriver, I don't know, I was using it, but I think it puts on one huge

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big data file on, and that's probably a part of the problem, and then it's come to

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it, yeah, well people hated the MH philosophy, when we say, look at that, it's junk,

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because what it did was, it made a file from every message, and it put them in, it had

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a folder built in, but it gave the message's numbers, so we just stuck it at the end

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of the folder as, you know, there's 41 there, so this is 42, and you could do things like

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shuffle around the numbers or reorder them and don't wise, and mostly it would do that

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automatically, but the advantage to that was all the file stuff, you could write, you know,

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script and said script and post script, to deal with all these stuff, in a very elegant way, it

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maybe wasn't as efficient in terms of, you know, story space and stuff, yeah, but, but

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these are files, so if you want to add a header, you just went to the file with your

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said script and said, this headed to go on all these messages, I remember there was

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that article in one of the Linux, like it's talking about open office, and they were

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completely sick, and paying it to say something like a plateau, or personally one, for example,

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because what you can do because, you know, it's just a, as a file with text within it,

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so again, you could do all the said scripts, you could, for example, if you're an organization

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and your name, it had an image, like my company has very many times, and we weren't going

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to that, but you could, you could, you could just run a script and it all gets fixed,

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you could not, you cannot do that, we were documents, cannot do that, because you can't get

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into this, and to the binary data, and two kit sources, it's, it's a weird thing, and

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in fact, just the other day, I had an old, um, access database, and my, my boss is, it's,

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it comes from a software background, everything should be, for what I should see to

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me, software background, and it is always, it's, you want something to be, sort of, logged in and put a,

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configured online and all that's done, and we've got a lot of paperwork stuff, I said, you know,

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sometimes people are better, he won't accept that, we'll just another day, we're, I found this old,

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access database, wouldn't let us open it, but I should, but I've got, I've got that, I need

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full ring binder that's got that information in it, so there's proof that, you know, you can't

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open the body, you know, we're good at it, you know, just us, yeah, yeah, yeah, if it, I'm not

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a platy system, they could, they could've opened always, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I was flying aircraft, so yeah, the, the, the, the, the mail thing is, the listeners might

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realize that it's a subject that I ran on a bit, yeah, so now, the next thing we were

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going to talk about is calendars, and it's probably kind of cleaned the summer as well,

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because I was frustrated with it. I used, I've got more used to it now than I used because

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I used Google Gmail, I also used the calendar. I don't have huge amounts of stuff in it,

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but first of all, it's frustrating. But the science agenda was so much better. And I saw

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much mess at the outset. Yeah, so it's more sophisticated than just nicer on general, you know,

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so yeah. I certainly hoped for better calendars as time went on. We used to use a thing called

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iCal, which was the name that predated the format iCal that people use for the calendar,

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the underlying iSov format. And it was quite nice. It was a sort of ex Windows display thingy,

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which you merely display. And I think it just displayed stuff. Maybe you could click on bits or something,

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but it was, I think it was driven by a config file behind the scenes, so you would edit that

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more than anything else. But it was just a nice thing to have in the corner of your window,

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and you know, and it would look a lot at you. You should be in a meeting or that sort of thing.

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So we use a Skype, and they're in the office, but the recent introduced teams. And so

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whereas if I get a Skype, it doesn't integrate into it. I don't look so you can set up a meeting

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or a quest or whatever. But in teams, it doesn't. So we need to wait a second. So I'm having

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an afternoon, you know, modern, yeah, it's got its own separate calendar. Oh, great, it's lovely.

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So I can't import it. Yeah, yeah. Well, I use Thunderbirds calendar, which originally

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called Lightning, I think. I don't know whether it has a separate name now, but it's an integration thing.

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But that's just a calendar. You can go to it, click on a day sale and add an event and they

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know. So your visit to the dentist can be there and you can put a put alarms on it.

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I think one of the things that I'd nice touch the light about this, the sign was it,

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so if you've got a heading for if you're a calendar event or good to the dentist,

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and then you could add a note. So if you add a note, what happens is it adds three dots to the

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end of the title. So what I glance, oh, I've got other information to look at, and now do that

510
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:19,200
mind you let myself do that. Yeah, so I don't think I put three dots in it. It's just nice to just

511
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,680
like that, you know. That's a nice feature. Yeah. But I mean, I do do that. I mean, I've got,

512
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:29,760
I had a event come up recently. I could see it in the future, which was to get the bus to Glasgow

513
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:35,920
for a pod crawl, which is I still in my calendar. I've been doing that. I've been doing about

514
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:43,120
July, but I'd written the instructions for where to go to catch the bus and what frequency

515
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:48,080
they arrived at, and all that sort of stuff, and that had been there for years. And I was going

516
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:55,680
to Glasgow to another reason, and it was really useful to you know. So my calendar was also an event

517
00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:03,600
related to note things, which you know, it seems to me to be highly desirable for us to have,

518
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:10,240
absolutely. So yeah. But I must admit, I did quite enjoy the fact that the first

519
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:18,800
Amazon in early February in Brussels. And there's a client that you can run on on your phone.

520
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,800
I've got the Android version of it. So you can see all the events, and you can say, oh,

521
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:28,800
I'm interested in that one. I will attend this. And it goes and you can set it up anyway to write

522
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:34,560
your Google Calendar to say, oh, you're going to be at this event. So you get alerts from the

523
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:40,000
Google Calendar thing to say, you're supposed to be at this meeting, because I've used that in real

524
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,360
life, because to get to meetings at Fozdem requires a bit of a legwork to get from across the, you know,

525
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:51,760
a secampus, to find a place. But you know, just sit in a home and watch the thing in real time on

526
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:57,280
their video feed. It was really useful. So you know, it sounds like an open source project that

527
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:04,000
looked like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And presumably the API to add stuff like that to the Google

528
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:10,720
Calendar is generally available. So so there'll be permissions issues for your calendar,

529
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:18,400
but but still, you know, those sorts of things I found in immensely useful as far as I would be

530
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,040
the sort of thing I would want to be using all the time. Well, effectively do it. Yeah.

531
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:28,480
I think I think the Ken, not missing a bit there the last four, so I think the first thing

532
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,280
he was at, did he see what he was just listening to, but that, I think it's morning,

533
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,840
because he was a bit quieter than previously on his evening. Yeah, I was surprised he said that.

534
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,160
I thought he was going to be, because the estimate from the Fozdem organizers was that

535
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,080
we're going to be 8,000 people. Yeah. I don't know how they work that out. Yeah.

536
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:52,480
With the resistive line on a graph, that was going up a 45 degree. Yeah. Yeah. I don't

537
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,440
know that, but yeah, it doesn't seem to be quite as many. Yeah. It used to be about

538
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,080
far, four or five thousand when I first started going to them. And that was full.

539
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:07,760
I mean, 8,000 would be, you wouldn't be able to, you know, be shoulder to shoulder, so

540
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:13,920
you can see walk from one place to another. Yeah. So, so, well, I think we'll look to the next

541
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:19,760
topic you think of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, I could go on it. Yeah, I should shut up about it.

542
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:25,040
No, no, no, no, it's okay. I bet. In fact, I should do some shows on my email. It's crap.

543
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,760
Yeah, it was better. All days. Yeah, nobody will agree with you.

544
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:36,000
We could learn a lot from that and catch it. So, yes, we were going to talk about

545
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:42,480
and discuss it with Comka and what why they do. And so, I think I'm starting to suffer a

546
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,680
little bit of bit rot. And so, I find this time, I remember we were reading about this.

547
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,320
There's something that I can't, you may be able to know more about it than me. But it's

548
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:58,720
it's the way that flash devices need to be refreshed. Because, so, he does, the sales

549
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,840
of the individual bits make up the individual sectors of whatever they are. They get heated up

550
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,440
and did not maybe flatten out over time. So, the rot sets in and if you don't refresh. So,

551
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:15,680
mainly, to refresh it, all you would need to do, I guess, is just to copy the whole SD card

552
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,840
to some other than media. And then write it back and that would just refresh. I think it's all

553
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:25,520
you need to do. But, of course, if you don't do that over time, some of the get-cups in between

554
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,000
the ones and the zeros, because they're flattened out. I think that's what we're going on. And

555
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,200
what I was going to say is, I know that my, I noticed a several months ago, maybe in a year ago.

556
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:41,920
So, my Raspberry Pi under my television. I've got open a lake on it. And it's starting to,

557
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,760
sometimes, it doesn't boot up properly. It's a occasional. And all you'd either be glitches

558
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,600
happening. So, I think what's happening is that I'm getting bit rot there and it's still

559
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:57,840
breaking everything. And, I think I had an issue with bits of audio lessons from stuff

560
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:03,840
from upstairs Pi. So, yeah, I think maybe I'm starting to see bit rot. But, I still have

561
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,320
the vibe, any fail on me, like, you know. So, they've been pretty robust to be fair.

562
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:16,480
I haven't had too many problems with SD cards that I'm aware of. Anyway, I maybe I did have

563
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:23,600
one in the early days, my earliest pie when the, what was that? The A, what, I, or the model A,

564
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:29,520
or something, model A, way, way back in the, in time. That, that sort of stock working.

565
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,640
And I thought I could say about, you seem to be of the SD card. But that was an early early

566
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:40,320
SD card, but I didn't, I wasn't so knowledgeable about what type to buy. It was probably some

567
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,480
old rubbish thing, I did have a camera or something. Yeah. I don't, I don't, well, funny should

568
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:50,960
say it, but I, I mean, I missed it before, but my wife's friend, G, G goes in a lot of

569
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,560
whole of this and she, and she just takes an SD card and a flash card and just fills it up.

570
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,000
And then, she's just, well, that's, that's whole of this. She's just got all these cards,

571
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,200
just filled up and never, ever back some other thing. Oh, it's, I think we're not, it's going to go bad.

572
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,120
Yeah, yeah, that's the end. But the, I've got CDs that are all filled with pictures and stuff,

573
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:15,520
and I wonder how many of those are able to do, but indeed, indeed, whatever you choose,

574
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,960
it's going to have a couple of conclusions that, well, the, they can, for, for audio, I'm sure

575
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,800
they're somewhere that they're the best archiving that, the, the media, they reckon,

576
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:30,320
for backing up audio, they reckon was it was it, it was it, it's VHS, it's, you know,

577
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:36,960
it's like, it had high quality, it's almost closer than I can stay or something. So, yeah, it's

578
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:43,200
the audio quality of these super VHS records were actually very high, and you could store the

579
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,080
tape for that for many, many, many, many years, they're very, very safe, much better than a CD.

580
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:57,280
And the other thing that I, I think, hard times of pretty robust, and well, let's see,

581
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:03,040
some mix more than others, and I do remember that, I don't even remember the story that

582
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:09,200
back in the early days, Google decided they're going to use hard disk array to, to, to, to,

583
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:15,600
and then which we're going to use, banks of, of standard hard disks, and they did detail analysis

584
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,240
on failure rates and stuff, and they, they, they wouldn't, they thought, this, it was on,

585
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,040
and maybe I'm sure a mention is before, they were unfair to say, which makes field, which

586
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,400
doesn't, because they thought that, but I'm compared to all that, but they said that the

587
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,160
certain of the certain things that they noted for, if the last, over a year, then they go

588
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,680
and for, ever, basically, kind of judge it on the hottest and more likely to be the ones that

589
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:41,840
fail things like that. So, he's got a thing like that. So, I've got, I've got a restaurant

590
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:50,320
digital, my passport, 250 gigabyte hard disk, and I use it all the time regularly, and it is

591
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,400
never felt, in fact, one point, it, it, I thought it hard failed, and I was batting up down there,

592
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,920
I thought I had to get it to work again, it'd been in, it's in the back, it'd been in the back

593
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:06,480
of a bike from Edinburgh to Darky's, a couple of times, in a push bike, and it still works,

594
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,720
you know, and there, I have, all these, all my drives are bought, have been

595
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:17,760
restaurant digital, passport drives, and my father-in-law is bought some, and they, none of her drives

596
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:27,680
are filled so far. So, yeah, but, yes, I think it depends on which of the models you, you've chosen,

597
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:33,600
does it not, because I've certainly had experiences with the, is it the black range,

598
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,720
we're some digital black that are designed for the more expensive and they're designed for

599
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:44,640
long use, I think I've got one of those, still running in my main machine. So, the

600
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:51,200
cold, yeah, they have a colour, there's a blue and there's a green, there's, the green ones are for,

601
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:57,440
oh, I don't know what the green ones are, I think they're for, um, these things that go into

602
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,760
and to computer, so not, yeah, they're not like USB, no, nothing, no, no, they're, they're,

603
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:13,520
the, um, well, it all of their range of spinning discs, and also their um, their SSDs that come

604
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,080
under these categories, and I think you get different, sort of, for example, if you've got a

605
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,080
passport sort of thing, what grade have you been in that, I mean I don't know, I don't know,

606
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,760
I don't know, I think they're, is possible to answer that but, right

607
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:42,640
I've heard of people buying the things sold as passport and then taking the discount and

608
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,920
look, I've got a black or something whatever that's. Yeah, I couldn't give you chapter

609
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,360
and verse and then both certainly seen that. In fact, it was recommended, you got a better

610
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:58,160
deal if you bought them through that route. All right, then actually the design one. Yeah, yeah.

611
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,400
Yeah, I'm just like, I've got my notes here all paper and I think I'll just shuffle them.

612
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,240
I've got you have to sworn that I wrote about that and I'm just looking on a canvas.

613
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,240
You can probably hear the paper being done. Yeah, I'm just going to bought them maybe.

614
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,080
It's in the audio you can hear. And also we're in a car park by the way, everybody.

615
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,080
Yeah, if you hear that. I've got my the windows of the car, slightly open because it's a bit

616
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,760
getting a bit stuffy and there's a lot of people in the car park. So he annoys his

617
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,320
off. You'll know what it is. It's not to sort of stay hidden away in the back. Well, we are actually

618
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,920
always strangely hidden away in the back of a car park. We really ought to do a bit of job

619
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,800
of these notes because what we've ended up doing is accumulating odds and odds and ends over

620
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:42,720
a period of months, the things that want to be talked about. Well, that was it. It was in a

621
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,800
future period of talk about it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so it was a, I don't see. It's always a

622
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:53,440
not Westerners or passport drive with bought in 2009 or in 14 years old. The drive is 250 gigs

623
00:32:53,440 --> 00:33:00,480
and still a little new. So that was it. That was, yep. Okay. So yeah. So we're going to talk about

624
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,120
future upgrades. I'm just going to say my father-in-law was going to buy some for Tirabite

625
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:11,120
and Westerners on another one. He's usually bought another one because he was concerned about

626
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:19,280
ship, ship shortages and whatnot. Okay. Okay. And yeah, I mean, it's even even within my sphere of work,

627
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:26,560
the entrance industry is in complete turmoil and the idea over the things can change. It's

628
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:32,560
a nightmare trying to get the components. And you know, when you think about the complex

629
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,560
complexity of the modern life and even something simple as a pump might have an electronic

630
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,560
module or something. It's a big kind. That is a specific specialized part because in the past

631
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:47,280
the components were like a TTL logic or whatever and they were standard bits and from what was

632
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,840
TTL logic, you, you, you kicked them in a certain way, and it made a particular circuit, but now

633
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:57,120
you get the whole thing built on a chip and that chip only does that one job. So if you can't

634
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,600
get that space as chip for that space as job, you're stuffed. So you can get a situation where you

635
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:07,920
could imagine with a pumping station on what that opens a valve as a module on it. It goes down.

636
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,760
So you can't get that chip from Tena. You can all in a pump water to the desert and see what's

637
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,720
I mean, that's insane. So you can see that all this complex has people got think come back, you know?

638
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:22,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's not these just under nobun. That's right. It's complexity and also

639
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,080
single points of thinking. I thought it was that right. That's this thing's been constructed.

640
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,360
Because it's great. It's cheap. It's the cheapest route. It's one of the cheapest route. Is it

641
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:39,920
resilient though? Oh, we don't know the product to out work on. It's really quite old and it

642
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,640
uses TPL and you can still get a lot of the chips to do. But the modern stuff that they're bringing

643
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:50,000
out the other projects, they can't get a patch anymore. Yeah, yeah. Can all

644
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:56,080
it be before it actually get the product out of the doors? Yeah, yeah. And I keep hearing people

645
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:03,440
saying stuff like, we've got so much reliance in on X. I mean GPS for example. Yeah. It's in everything.

646
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,640
Yeah. And it's a vital part of so much. You know what? I was even hearing something to do with

647
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,680
hospital doors, but something to do with GPS. So you own it. Have the heck with your experience.

648
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,160
That happened to do with GPS. So everything just forced. The message of GPS goes down.

649
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:24,960
No, it doesn't go. I know. I know. It's like having, you know, you're nest thermostat or all these

650
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,520
other IOT nicknakes in your house. Your house is running on these things. Yeah. And it's dependent

651
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:35,920
on some cloud, which one day will fail? Or either will fail? Or there is not any economically viable

652
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,640
anymore. And you end up with a house for the junk and none of the doors will open or the lights

653
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,240
won't go off. Well, that's how we've been living in Kubernetes. Imagine you've got a warehouse

654
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:50,720
and it's unimaginably big and imaginably no one person could navigate it. They've got so much

655
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:55,600
stuff on it that nobody, apart from our computer, I system could do achieve this stuff. And

656
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,680
we've got up and down the country. If that fails, how are you going to get stuff to the shops? How

657
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,640
are you going to get shops to them? The people, you know, they're all going to go to the hell. So

658
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:09,040
it's just scary, you know? But if I think of it all of that, you know, mental. I mean, I better.

659
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:15,920
I wrote in fact you for a year to get enough money to carry on with my studies and to

660
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:23,120
ended up being a warehouseman for a while. And I got the job of, I was given a dimo label. You know,

661
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:30,160
also crunchy ones. Yeah, I had the wows. It builds a muscles in here. And label in all the bins

662
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,040
and make and doing industries and that sort of stuff. And that was all entirely manual. People came

663
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:40,240
to the front. It was a section of the fact, if people came to the front desk and said, have you got

664
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:45,920
left handed widget? And they're glad to go. Oh yeah, yeah, we got three of those and he'd know, you know?

665
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,320
So yeah. And I've even heard that there's something big shopping centers that you go for.

666
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,560
For food, there are constantly having a circle of steam off. I understand that of lawly's coming

667
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,080
in. So if the shelves went empty, they couldn't be fell and less domestic closed doors. I don't

668
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,760
know how long it came to fill out. If you didn't enter store, how long did it take to build it back

669
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,440
up? To stock again a little bit, you could be two weeks. I had no idea. People started and I don't

670
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:14,400
know. Because it often these places run with a night shift that comes in to do the restocking.

671
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,320
Because that's when the through, even though they might open the night, they're still in the

672
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,800
throughput as well. I touched it before I should have mentioned the last thing was that my

673
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,440
father-in-law worked for Scotch Gas, and he said that if the gas system's got to always

674
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,480
smile and it stops, then you've got to go to every house and turn every single product and

675
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:40,560
it will open it up until it gets in. It's not a design to ever stop, it stops, it stops.

676
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:49,760
The thing that bothers me actually, I just thought it would go around my head and go away,

677
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:56,320
is about the day that the sun says, right, time for your coronal mass ejection buddies,

678
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:05,760
oh yes, one of those hits is like the one day in Canada or the one that was the, the one that blew

679
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:11,440
up all the telegraph system back in the, I thought, I thought half a day that, because it was seen

680
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:16,160
it, if it hit, I mean, it's something like a miracle, or Britain for that matter, that it may be

681
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:21,600
we'd never survive it because you've got these, you've got like substation transformers, and so they

682
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,640
take the, the grid voltage down to two for the volts for that, at the region, I don't know how many

683
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,920
I've got a reason to do it, maybe they've got 10 for the whole country or something like that,

684
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,040
and stock, and it takes a year to restock that, maybe two years to restock that, I've suddenly

685
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:42,320
the whole country's transformers fail all up down the country, you couldn't deflace them, people would

686
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,600
starve, people would die, it just just be, yeah, I'm against it basically, you know, and yeah,

687
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:53,120
it's another case of, you know, not exactly single point of failure, but but, but not enough,

688
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,000
not failure proof thing, and the thing is a belief that I could be wrong, but I think if I read

689
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,320
into this and it didn't want me this as well, I should have thought of this, I think, you know,

690
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,800
things can be hardened against that, and I think, for example, generally it's done that,

691
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,400
of course, Britain hasn't done it, because it's a deal of things in the cheap, so we didn't,

692
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:18,080
you know, so yeah, so yeah, so we're making enough profit from doing that. No, that's all about profit,

693
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,120
as you see, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's what we were like, that's it, that's it, that's it,

694
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:28,960
that's a fascinating subject, that's it, we've gone away from our agenda to get them there,

695
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,320
so, can we say that enough about this failurey things and stuff? Probably hard, I think.

696
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:40,960
My record is reading 44, you've got it on it all the time, so that's good, you can see that,

697
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,160
that's good. I'm just trying to keep this, it'll truncate a bit, yeah, but I think we can go up

698
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,400
and go up another, another, another chunk of time. Future upgrades and maybe that, we've got time to

699
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:57,600
cover about that one, maybe. So we said, we said, we said, all my pies are running old versions as

700
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,600
being a debut, you know, some of that, and I had a great Christmas team to, I think, at the

701
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,680
year before I did, and I'm here done, I sure, I did the same thing, this Christmas had a

702
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:11,920
go-tap, made my pie, and the pan for the two pies, and it failed, you know, whatever, I can't

703
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,320
move far, I got a lot so far, and I just didn't work, and I just gave up and discussed, so I

704
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,480
spent, but because I had, but it was, I think, an image of the whole SD card, I could just

705
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,520
write it back onto the SD, and it was back where it was, I've just said it well, I just

706
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,160
love whether it is, I can't contemplate the rebuilding it, it's just too much hassle.

707
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:38,640
Yeah, yeah, I've done a similar thing, yeah, I've got pies which have failed because they can't

708
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:46,240
upgrade anymore because the jump from Raspberry and two Raspberry Pi OS is not, I don't think it's

709
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:51,440
a thing you can automate, so it just needs the whole thing being, I have actually done two of them

710
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:57,040
and they're up and running, but I've not yet, it's a case of, you know, it's a new can pay thing,

711
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,280
you're blitzing the whole lot and then having to rebuild it. But the tub was the two pies that I

712
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,800
weren't up with, so once got, um, was it called now it's, it's a command and display, see you

713
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,720
did command and display, I don't know, which this, it had an LCD display, yeah, and in buttons,

714
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:17,440
no, it's actually really useful because I can start and stop podcasts, I can check the Q-state

715
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,360
as, um, it's just really, really handy, and it controls my pie upstairs and the pie upstairs

716
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:28,720
as I've got another add-on board that's just got a, it's a simple board and it's got buttons,

717
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:34,000
so I can, I can gain stamp stop in the play, I could do other various things, although actually

718
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:40,000
having any display on the unit, so it's headless, basically, and I think the upstairs one,

719
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,600
I could get by, we just, you can forget it a bit, the button does not have that big a deal,

720
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,360
but I wouldn't want to lose my command of the display, because I, I wrote the popular

721
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,880
a pie thing, it's got a lot for it, yeah, it's nice, so, and it is, you know, comparable with,

722
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,000
I don't think it is with the display, I don't think it's a waste for it, I don't think it's a waste for it,

723
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,360
yeah, so, is the thing discontinued, is it, is it, yeah, I'm not a product anymore?

724
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,880
Yeah, I think I have, I mean, you're one now, so, oh, yeah, that's a thing, yeah, so, yeah,

725
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:15,120
this, this would need you to write something to, to interface it, yeah, yeah, which is going to be

726
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,360
quite a thing, I'm just using it like a, for a long time, I've just used it as a,

727
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,680
almost like a piece of, I don't even see it, almost as a, as a product anymore, it just works

728
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:28,800
it's a put on, and then it's become dull, yeah, so yeah, just that's great, but it's also one of

729
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,440
the most dangerous things that you can do, it becomes part of your everyday life, and then all

730
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,240
of a sudden, it goes away because somebody says, right, upgrade upgrade upgrade, we're not making

731
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:43,280
this anymore on you, you're stuff, exactly, that's that's irritating, isn't it? Yes, this is it,

732
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:50,000
so, the, the, one of the projects I would like to do, and I've started, but I've moved on with it,

733
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:55,840
got a few of these Raspberry Pi Pico chips, which are quite powerful for, for single sort of

734
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:01,680
microcontroller thingies, and I've got one which, which came in, or you had to fit it into a

735
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:07,040
a little keyboard with a, with a bunch of, maybe a kind of memory keys, 12, something like that,

736
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,560
just just ordinary keyboard keys, but in a little, a little board, and then it's got a USB out, but

737
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:19,120
so things like, I mean, you could write a fair bit of software on that Pico, because it you can run

738
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:26,160
Python versions, where you can write stuff in C, C++, I think as well, but if you've got projects

739
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,840
like needing to control stuff through extra buttons or something like that, maybe something like that,

740
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:38,640
they're not massively expensive, no, something like that, maybe a little bit too long-term, maybe

741
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:44,720
yeah, yeah, and I mentioned that, I'll put a lick, thinking that again, that's getting to the

742
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:51,920
long and the tooth, and there is a bit, because the bit rot is getting to be a bit, and I get,

743
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,680
but there's a, I don't have the time to spend on things, and I think that's a trouble without,

744
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,160
a lot of, the next bridge can take, spend so much time when I loved it, and enjoyed it back

745
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,760
and even I had the time, and I wasn't even contemplating, you know, I'm not sure, I think it's

746
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,400
a 3B, I have a bit of go on to the television, I'm not sure, but I've had contributed, I can

747
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,400
undo books or something like that, but I think I just keep this thing as long as I can,

748
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,920
and see what I go from there, and maybe just upgrade the, the distribution on it, but,

749
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,120
because I think that the problem is that it's open like the version I've got, it doesn't

750
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:26,080
do 3D acceleration, as well, so I see a bit of that, okay, okay, but yeah, it's good enough,

751
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:32,400
yeah, it's also easy to get into those things, that I was running a, um, one of those

752
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:39,200
model, was it the A plus, the one that came out a couple of years ago, which is just a, a minimal

753
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:47,520
board, right, with no ethernet on, just got one by, maybe Bluetooth, and no ethernet, and,

754
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,280
but it's quite powerful, there's so many models, that's the difference, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I had that

755
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:56,000
on the back of an old monitor, and I was running magic mirror, oh yeah, something's seen,

756
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:01,280
right, um, and that was great, that was really nice to have that, because it, it would tell,

757
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,840
I could even get the bus time table off it, and it told me all about the weather and, wow,

758
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:12,320
and the time, and all that stuff, you saw that? No, because the pie needed that upgrade,

759
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:18,720
which I haven't done yet, and then it looked as if that project that I was basically on,

760
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:26,240
had gone into some sort of decline, so unless you, people had to go in and dig around with the code

761
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:31,680
and, and get it all up and running again, I think, maybe this, their people who said, oh,

762
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,840
look at this, it's going, it's going down the tubes, let's bring it back to life again,

763
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,240
they might still be project like that, right, which would be great, but my son's learning

764
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:45,360
JavaScript, Node.js, which is what it's written in, yeah, so I could, I could maybe ask him for a bit

765
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:51,600
of, uh, bit of advice, um, because he's having all my not be that daunting too, no, no, no, but it's

766
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,000
a project that, oh, it, it doesn't do what I used to do, she leaves me and I've got to go and

767
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,400
make it, and I also got to make that, and that, and that, and that, and that, so yeah, I'll get to it.

768
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:06,000
Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I'm myself, this is it, yeah, yeah, it's a prioritizing these things

769
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:12,160
can be. Oh, my, my, open the lake thing, I, I'm not just one day that, um, I came back and

770
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,400
hold you know, or, or, or, or when I came back, anyway, I turned it that the, the pie one and

771
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,880
that, and I found that there's no network connection, I thought it was going on here,

772
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:24,960
I turned it that my, my, I've got, I've got, I've got the, the Volvo home plug, and it failed,

773
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,640
one and failed, because one was okay, so one of its all useless, because obviously,

774
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,280
to get a network connection, you'd run it one in the one and another.

775
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it goes through this, it's a main, yeah, it's a main, yeah, but,

776
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,360
yeah, it's a main thing. Here's the strange thing, uh, I, I, I, I, I unplugged the ethernet connection

777
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,920
from the pie, and it reconnected to my wife, I thought, well, I've got a,

778
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,320
I went, a network connection, how was that? And then I thought, oh,

779
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,840
it must be through wife, and I thought, oh, that's a new version of the pie, it's got wife in it,

780
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,080
and I must have said to have a lot of time ago, but I got an impact to the network plug

781
00:46:54,080 --> 00:47:00,720
again, so that was a nice, so yeah, that was a very easy, easy fix, I mean, that, that magic

782
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:06,400
mirror thing was a Wi-Fi based thing, for obvious reasons, and I had been running a,

783
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,200
uh, Raspberry Pi camera in the window, I bought a little board from pie hut, oh yeah,

784
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,400
we, you could stick on the window, I mean, it took a, a pie zero doubly on the back of it,

785
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,240
and a camera on the front of it, so you could use it as a means of taking pictures,

786
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:24,480
like I've seen those, it was in the garden or, uh, you know, whether the postman actually

787
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,160
gold or something, but everyone did, you know, they didn't do that, but they're like,

788
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,760
oh yeah, they're like, are you picking the pillows in the light, yeah, of course you

789
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,040
wouldn't do that. No, no, no, no, no, you could have, you could have stood there,

790
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:40,320
I was like, yeah, we'd go on there, we'd take a picture of it outside, but yeah, yeah,

791
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:45,280
but back to that useful eye, the camera, the camera, I screwed the camera on that particular

792
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,680
one, but still. Yeah, but that was running on Wi-Fi, and it was taking pictures on, uh,

793
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,320
every 15 minutes, and I was, I was copying them to a machine and stash them away,

794
00:47:54,320 --> 00:48:01,840
make it a little movie, so yeah, anyway, that's digression, yeah, um,

795
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,000
what else have I got? Yeah, my, my, my, my, my, my next time I've got my, my, my, my,

796
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,840
old desktop PC's getting very, very old, and it's like again, I almost got to get

797
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:16,080
know that, it's, I mean, myself actually, if I'm getting very old stuff, yeah, yeah, it's

798
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,360
just running a boom to a 10 or four, and I've three years, but then but security updates to 2020.

799
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,560
Oh, yeah, so me as a kid, I don't know. So I've got that.

800
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,120
This is going to go into a seven or whatever, which I, uh, I make sure I've ever,

801
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,880
oh, I got it last time, but when I do, I'm absolutely sure the network

802
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:39,200
I'm plugged, but I use that to type occasionally to program that I'm too little bit

803
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:45,840
a year ago, but other than that, you know, so they're a lot deplexed, 70, with 4GB of RAM,

804
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,480
which I believe. So yeah, it's pretty low-speak. I think I'm going to be going to have to

805
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:57,040
put that up. Upgrading, you know, it was one of these many desktop things that businesses use,

806
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:03,280
and it runs really quiet, really cool. It's been rock stable, you know, but it is. It's

807
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:09,920
getting to do something. People are pushing those, suggesting those as being good, a good place to run.

808
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:16,400
If you want to get into these IoT system, what's the one open, but there's one that you run as a

809
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,160
server that knows about all your IoT kit, and people have been saying that these are actually quite

810
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:28,400
good, sure if it's that exact model, but in the same area that they're not very heavy on power

811
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:34,800
usage, and so you could run 24-7 without too much difficulty, and they've got enough power to

812
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,440
run quite a lot of the code that's needed to. Well, I mean, I've actually been able to do

813
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,480
other things that I've done in April, so doing video editing, so I can do, yeah, so I can do video editing

814
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:51,440
on it as well, so I've been from machine in many ways, yeah, but I've been, I use it less and less,

815
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,880
because I tend to just, of course, we have called in Scotland, and we've got the electric heating

816
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,480
as well, so you think that's too cool to go up, that's called to room, so there's stairs,

817
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,960
when there's a tab, that's something, you're a laptop or something, yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,

818
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:13,360
my main computer is in the downstairs, and I've got an extension to my house, which is where

819
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:19,280
it is, sort of dining and kitchen extension, and just so happens, it's a, it's south-pointing,

820
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:24,400
it's got a flat roofing felt roof, so on a day like today, which is very nice and sunny,

821
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:30,880
for others, that space warms up, I don't think it's any heating until it's actually really

822
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:37,040
spinning out. I've been to the cold windy days, it's not like that, just sit there and

823
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:44,480
grove, blanket. Yeah, yeah, these issues that we have these days, I think we've covered,

824
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,320
I mean, the next six years we're all been to talk about YouTube, but that's when we're

825
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,720
going to halt our whole period, so, I don't know what I'm work on, but that's coming up to

826
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:57,740
56 minutes on my record, that's maybe we did have it running. Yeah, that's been a good,

827
00:50:57,740 --> 00:51:01,400
a good place to stock, maybe. Maybe this is something that we was thinking of,

828
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:06,480
the, we did make a list of YouTube channels that we were sort of recommending. Hi, do we got to

829
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,920
that. I don't know, would we've talked about it over much? Because mostly most people tend

830
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:17,600
to do their YouTube lists on these BR with just saying, you know, this is good, this is good,

831
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:23,040
you should watch this in the like that type of thing. Maybe we could turn what we've assembled

832
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:29,520
into, you know, notes with a little bit more texture. Maybe, yeah. Because I think some of these

833
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,080
might be of interest. Okay. I mean, unless you want to take yours away and you, and make a show

834
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:44,240
up and just not know. Obviously, it came with love with them. Yeah, yeah. I know, it's not always

835
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:51,600
easy to define the tongue. And while I'm actually, it's funny enough, I've got a show that I'm

836
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,520
trying to put together just now. And I've actually sold a card. It's all done. I can really. Yeah,

837
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,680
but it's a show notes. It's a slow me down. It's going to take, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's

838
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,160
also a lot of some self-tick things. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah. I remember that Claire,

839
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,720
to his, oh, what's the point? Back in the day, you know,

840
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:11,120
you see what's the point to show one of his words. Well, but that is, of course, I

841
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:18,000
still have. I have found, yeah, I'm because I come from a sort of academic related background.

842
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,600
It was really important to have textual material to go with stuff. So we were, it was drummed

843
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:29,440
into it. So I tend to write the notes first. And then talk around the subject with the notes

844
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,440
in the sort of centre.

845
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:31,440
It's a good idea.

846
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,440
And as a good idea.

847
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,600
I've found that as come back, people have said, you know, the notes are so helpful.

848
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:42,000
And I'm trying to make a book out of the one series I did, which I think I mentioned

849
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,000
in the previous.

850
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,000
Tell me now.

851
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,000
That is accepting what I'm saying.

852
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,000
That is accepting what I'm saying.

853
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,000
This one is said.

854
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,000
That is said.

855
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,000
That is a good idea.

856
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,000
I've got a book together.

857
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,000
But it's a PDF.

858
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:57,000
I wanted an index in it because things are complex as that or you need an index.

859
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,000
So I can make an index with PDF.

860
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000
It's actually quite good, but who wants PDF?

861
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,040
Well, you know, you could live with it.

862
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,240
But I really wanted to be able to make an e-pub with index with an index.

863
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:12,040
And at the moment, I haven't found a full proof that you've proof, Matthew, you're doing

864
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,040
it.

865
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,040
So I will get there.

866
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:22,080
I think I've got a said book on a really good subject because I'm actually, actually,

867
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:28,400
so I've got to find the time these days to, I've got to say they've got a book, I've got the

868
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,400
bit best for that.

869
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,440
I want to like the best way is there was one on a pocket-book and lunch, I think it was.

870
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,080
And if you're, if you're, I recommend, if you're starting off in Linux, you think, well,

871
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,200
what are these commands that are available to us?

872
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,160
You've got this, that we pocket-linics book.

873
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,440
And I think it's based on red habit, you know, the command line tools that are really

874
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,520
the same across all the distributions, you know, the core utilities or whatever.

875
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,480
And so, you know, I'll say for Texas, and here's a group of things you do if I text

876
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,120
it in the group of things for Searching, or whatever it is.

877
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:01,680
And if you, it doesn't take that long, I, maybe, good toilet book, you know, I'm sorry,

878
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:02,680
sorry, sorry.

879
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,920
So I could use it like a few pages out every time, you know, and yeah, yeah, I'm really

880
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,440
covered to cover that number of times, and it means, you can see, oh, right, I could,

881
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,960
you could use art for lag, you said for that cut, whatever it is, and you get to know

882
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:15,960
the commands.

883
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,640
Because if you don't know what you can do, you don't know, then you can't find something

884
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:20,640
useful to use it for.

885
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:27,080
It's, it's not always easy to ask the question, how, what's the best way of turning

886
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,680
this text into a multiple column or what those sorts of things?

887
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,760
I mean, it's possible, it's more possible to do it now, because you can do a Google search

888
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:35,760
and often get it.

889
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:41,800
But you have to fight your way through the answers, which will be relevant, but yeah, but

890
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:47,040
it's good to have that knowledge of, you know, here's all the tools and the toolbox,

891
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,040
so if you need to knock a nail in, don't use this screwdriver, it's taking that type of

892
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,040
thing.

893
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:58,800
All right, so shall we call it quits, I think that's a point, I think it's just turned

894
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:07,120
one hour and one minute according to this, so yeah, we'll call it quits, yeah, and

895
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:13,160
we'll do this again, at some point, we'll turn on the Hagish wall, yeah, just time

896
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:22,520
it back where if you want something else, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I'll switch this off,

897
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:28,960
so goodbye everybody, from Edinburgh and the nice sunny day, not particularly warm, but

898
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:34,640
surprisingly so, but the sun is strong, so it's a lot, it's quite cozy, it's good, good

899
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:35,640
good.

900
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,880
Okay, bye for now, bye.

901
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